After spending decades researching chimpanzee behavior, Jane Goodall became an expert on the aggressive tendencies of dominant males. In a newly published interview documented shortly before her death, the celebrated primatologist shared her unconventional solution for handling certain individuals she viewed as displaying similar traits: launching them on a non-return journey into outer space.
This extraordinary viewpoint into Goodall's philosophy emerges from the Netflix production "Last Statements", which was captured in March and preserved secret until after her recent demise at nine decades of life.
"I know persons I dislike, and I would like to put them on a spacecraft and launch them to the world he's convinced he'll locate," commented Goodall during her discussion with Brad Falchuk.
When questioned whether the SpaceX founder, famous for his questionable behavior and connections, would be part of this group, Goodall responded with certainty.
"Certainly, without doubt. He'd be the host. You can imagine the people I would place on that spacecraft. Along with Musk would be Donald Trump and several of Trump's real supporters," she stated.
"Furthermore I would put Vladimir Putin in there, and I would place China's President Xi. I would definitely include Benjamin Netanyahu in there and his administration. Put them all on that spacecraft and send them off."
This was not the earlier occasion that Goodall, a champion of conservation efforts, had voiced concerns about Donald Trump in particular.
In a 2022 interview, she had observed that he showed "similar type of actions as a dominant primate exhibits when he's competing for dominance with another. They posture, they parade, they portray themselves as much larger and hostile than they truly are in order to daunt their opponents."
During her last recorded conversation, Goodall further explained her comprehension of leadership types.
"We see, interestingly, two kinds of dominant individual. The first achieves dominance through pure aggression, and because they're strong and they battle, they don't remain very long. The second type succeeds by employing intelligence, like a young male will merely oppose a superior one if his friend, frequently a sibling, is alongside him. And you know, they remain far more extended periods," she explained.
The famous researcher also analyzed the "politicization" of actions, and what her comprehensive research had shown her about combative conduct displayed by people and primates when encountering something they viewed as threatening, although no risk truly existed.
"Chimpanzees observe a stranger from an adjacent group, and they get all excited, and their fur bristles, and they extend and make physical contact, and they display expressions of hostility and apprehension, and it spreads, and the remaining members adopt that emotion that one member has had, and everyone turns hostile," she described.
"It's contagious," she continued. "Some of these demonstrations that grow violent, it spreads among them. Each member wishes to become and join in and become aggressive. They're defending their domain or battling for control."
When asked if she considered the same behaviors applied to human beings, Goodall replied: "Likely, in certain situations. But I truly believe that most people are ethical."
"My main objective is educating this new generation of empathetic people, roots and shoots. But do we have time? I'm uncertain. We face challenging circumstances."
Goodall, a London native shortly before the commencement of the Second World War, compared the struggle against the difficulties of present day politics to the UK resisting Nazi Germany, and the "spirit of obstinance" shown by the prime minister.
"However, this isn't to say you avoid having moments of depression, but subsequently you recover and declare, 'Well, I'm not going to permit their victory'," she stated.
"It's similar to Churchill throughout the battle, his iconic words, we'll fight them along the shores, we shall battle them through the avenues and urban areas, then he turned aside to a friend and reportedly stated, 'and we shall combat them with the remnants of shattered glass because that's all we've bloody well got'."
In her last message, Goodall offered motivational statements for those combating authoritarian control and the environmental crisis.
"At present, when Earth is challenging, there still is hope. Don't lose hope. If you lose hope, you turn into unresponsive and remain inactive," she counseled.
"Whenever you desire to preserve what is still beautiful in this world – when you wish to protect our world for coming generations, your grandchildren, later generations – then think about the actions you take every day. Because, multiplied numerous, innumerable instances, minor decisions will create great change."
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